Sunday, October 05, 2014

Sidekick 98 runs on Windows 10 Technical Preview

Unless you are a user of Sidekick 98, the following statement is going to seem perverse.  

"I will not upgrade to Windows 10 unless it runs Sidekick."



Why does it matter if a piece of software that is more 17 years old works in 2014?  

Those of us who continue to value Sidekick 98 know the answer.  There is still no substitute for functional elegance that is SK98.  With the move to mobiles and apps, the situation just gets worse.  The original promise of the PC has been lost.  It is no longer a personal computer, it is merely a client attached to a cloud, pumping out ads.  Doing real work, with tools that assist instead of impose has become a thing of the past.

So back to SK98.  

I have written about this software before, and continue to use it on a daily basis.  I have a database of all logins to websites and accounts, which lets me maintain high security by having a different login for every account.  When it is time to login, I copy/paste from Sidekick to enter the credentials.

This is so central to everyday life, that a computer becomes useless unless I can have SK running.  

I copied over the directory of SK98 from my backup.  The original software came on  seven 3 and a half inch floppy disks.  By making a directory for each floppy, the setup program is able to run.  In this case, Setup ran perfectly, and SK98 appeared to be installed correctly.

There were also a number of patches released.  After setup is complete, it is a matter of going to the installed directory and replacing a couple of files - sidekick.exe dated 2000-01-07 and yintl.dll dated 2000-01-11.

Since Windows XP, it is necessary to do one more step.  Although it looks like SK98 is installed, no data is saved when you click the save button.  The introduction of security features in Windows means that you have to locate the sidekick.exe file, right click, and then select "run as Administrator".  This gives the software the required permissions.

I loaded my files, added data, changed data, saved, re-opened, printed.  Everything works.

That's it.  Windows 10 is a candidate for upgrade.

41 comments:

Larry Piper said...

"I will not upgrade to Windows 10 unless it runs Sidekick."

That's why I came here. Thanks for doing the checks for me. I still can't live without my beloved SK, although I've moved some tasks over to EverNote.

roberto johnston said...

is there a different program to ope SK98 contact files?

Waleed Hanafi said...

One of the beauties of SK98 was that it used standard file formats for everything instead of inventing new ones. The Contacts data can be exported as either a database in .dbf format, a spreadsheet in .CSV or .DIF, or a plain tab-delimited text file.

Go to File|Export Cardfile... to start the wizard.

I often export to .CSV format when I want to have the data on something like a smart phone which doesn't have a database but does have a spreadsheet.

And BTW, we can thank Apple for making it OK to have a device without the ability to have your own data organized in the way you want. The iPhone shipped without a database manager, and now it seems the skill has been lost. My old Psion had a built in database, and there were a number of third party alternatives as well.

Mario U. Herrera said...

WHAT YOU WROTE WALEED IS GREAT!
However I am nowhere as gifted as you are in the computer land, although I entered into the computing work since personal computers inception. The innovations are too fast, the stranglehold that companies such as Microsoft are imposing on us users are infuriating.

I started with Sidekick from the very beginning, but as Microsoft changed to "higher" versions, my data became corrupted and could not be transferred to a newer computer, patches to SK98, became more difficult to install...I could not even find data stored in the computer to copy and transfer on...Any way my laptop does not accept SK98 because... do you or anybody knows where I can get a complete clean version of SK98 that I can download to a Windows 8 laptop? Your help and consideration will be greatly appreciated. THANKS

Waleed Hanafi said...

I have a clean copy that I use to install on new machines and for testing.

It is relatively easy to install - you have to unzip the file, run the setup program, move the patches into the right directory, and set the user permission to Administrator. I have written instructions on how to do all that which I can include in the file.

Since I don't own the software, I am asking for a US$50 fee for creating the instructions and packaging everything up. Let me know if you are interested.

Edward Berman said...

Hello. This is Edward Berman, and I've been using Sidekick 98 (and prior versions) for decades. I recently upgraded to Windows 10 and was able to get SK98 up and running with no problem (I use it daily at my office in Windows 7 Pro). Then, it would work and not work in Windows 10 and now does not work at all. I uninstalled it this morning, and cannot reinstall it. I have the original SK98 CD-ROM disk. I would not have upgraded to Windows 10 if I knew I would have this problem. I have a lot of SK data saved on my PC and in my external hard-drive.

By the way, on 15 August 2015 I attained age 81, still working full-time and plan not to retire. I've been using PCs since before DOS. My first PC had no hard drive, only 5-1/4" 360K floppies.

I am "lost" without SK98 at my home PC (where I also work). I will appreciate knowing your solution.

Best regards, Ed

Waleed Hanafi said...

Hi Edward. I don't have your 81 years, but my first computer was a Xerox Sigma 9, and we used punch cards. My first PC was an Osborne 1, which had even lower capacity floppies.

I am running SK98 on the release version of Windows 10. Did you make sure to right click on the SK98.exe and select "Run as Administrator"? Ever since XP, you have to give permission to old programs that were written before Microsoft added NT permissioning to the OS.

Kami said...

I just found this forum. I love reading that other people feel as strongly as I do about SKW.

I've also been wondering if SKW 98 (which I prefer to 99) will run on Windows 10, and am glad to read that it's possible.

Like some others, I've been using it since the beginning when it was, if I remember correctly (I'm not sure I do), a product of the

company which now makes Norton Security software. I even think I remember seeing an original version on DOS.

Also like others, I haven't found another software which is as good as SKW for my needs. I use it mostly to keep "diaries," both by dates

and by subjects. I also use the cardfile function. (For websites and passwords, though, I find NetPad -- anyone remember that? --

much handier since it identifies links and I can launch URL's just by clicking on them. Netpad just gets copied onto a computer.)

Both these apps are invaluable to me. I've used them on 7 to 8 computers; no problems copying the data files.

Kami

Waleed Hanafi said...

Hi Kami,

SK 98 was put out by Starfish, which was started by Phillipe Kahn of Borland fame. It was eventually sold to Motorola, which killed it as they did with pretty much anything they touched.

Ned Weinshenker said...

This all looks very interesting but I have a different problem that I hope someone can help with. I have the orignal CD ROM disk for SK98. I am trying to install it on a 64 bit windows 10 machine. Each time I try to install I click on the install on the menu that comes up. I get a "please wait" notice but then it freezes. Not sure how to get around this? any suggestions?
Thanks,
Ned

Waleed Hanafi said...

The first thing to do is copy the contents of the CD to a directory on your hard disk. You should end up with a parent directory of SIDEKICK, with 7 sub directories representing the original floppy disks. Go to DISK1, find SETUP.EXE, right-click on the file and click Run As Administrator. That should do it.

Ned Weinshenker said...

Thanks for the quick reply! I did that but it looked like it was starting but then just stopped. When I looked at processes running it showed a 32 bit installer program.However, nothing installed.I even tried to set the properties to be compatible with win xp but that did not work. Any other suggestions would be appreciated. If I cannot get it to run on Win 10 my wife will not let me upgrade her win 8.1 machine.
Ned

Waleed Hanafi said...

That is curious. Are you running Windows 10 Pro? My understanding is that you have to have the Pro version for legacy software to run.

Ned Weinshenker said...

No, just win 10 home. That would be a pain to have to upgrade to pro for this one program!

Waleed Hanafi said...

I'm afraid that is the only alternative. Pro versions have better networking support as well, and are not as crippled as Home, so it is worth it.

Ned Weinshenker said...

Thanks, I will look into that

WindsurferLA said...

SideKick98 has been an absolutely essential application for me since the days of MS-DOS. Prior to my transition from WinXP to Win7, I was quite willing to pay for an alternative, but my search yield none with equivalent functionality. Luckily, I found it would work with Win7. Now, I’m joyous to learn it will work with Win10. Thanks for passing on that information.

Kami said...

Very glad to read this, Windsurfer. SKW is essential for me, too. And I never found a good, versatile substitute either.

Ned Weinshenker said...

I actually checked my copy of win 10 and it is the Pro version. However I still cannot get the program to install even if I copy the CD to my hard drive and try from that. Anyone have any suggestions?
Ned

Larry Balch said...

I am struggling to get SK 98 to run on my just-installed Win10 (Home). My sidekick.exe and yintl.dll files are from 8/14/1997. I cannot find a source for the patches you mention. Nor do I understand why the 2000 dates you mention for the above files. Can you ehlp?

Waleed Hanafi said...

Larry, Starfish issued patches for SK98 during its lifetime. Additionally, some fan patched the etwin.dll to add more current time servers than were in the original version.

I have the files, but blogger doesn't allow executable downloads. You can private message me if you want.

Bill Abel said...

Anyone know if they fixed the Calendar function in Sidekick. Been using its since before Windows when it was a TSR.
Bill

Palm Beach Tennis Report said...

Hey Folks, Just got Sidekick working on Windows 10 home edition. Did not connect it to my email. Installed on my c:\\ drive. Run as administer just like Waleed said to do. Thanks for all your comments. Was really nervous about getting it to work. Love to resurrect this program. Any ideas. Crowdfunding, etc? s mr10s@live.com

Kami said...

Thanks Palm Beach for the update. So glad to know SKW98 will run on Win 10,

Mike Parry said...

Hi all..
This works for me in Windows 10 every time:
when booting your pc open sidekick immediately before anything else has a chance to prevent it freezing, it's not the cure to the fault but it will load, you can then leave it open in the background, or when you want it just re-boot and again open immediately... Mike

ConcernedParent said...

Hi folks, just saw this blog.
I too am an unabashed fan of Sidekick, but didn't know there was a version 98 (have been using the 95 version since almost 1995).
I am surprised how come no one has mentioned the program compatibility wizard in all versions of Windows.
The procedure is: do not directly install Sidekick but start the program compatibility wizard and then go to the target file which in this case will be install.exe in the Sidekick installation folder (I have been always installing it from my hard disk like some of you).
Go through the whole installation procedure and in the end Windows will ask you did the installation work out fine? Say yes, and bingo, you are on your way!

Pankaj Joshi

Waleed Hanafi said...

@ConcernedParent - I wish it was really that easy. What you will find is that unless you also do the appropriate patching AND remember to tick "Run as Administrator", you will run into trouble. Even with compatibility mode, other programs (such as Outlook) interfere with SK98 unless you load it first.

Sidekick user JJM said...

I have been hooked on Vers 1.0. Ever since XPro I have struggled to keep it going by using the knowledge from Tek-Tip and sources like this one. When I loaded on W8 it was the worst but I found ways to work around W8 interfering with loading SK and after each MS update. I got caught in the W10 semi-auto update. Amazingly SK 98 worked but like XPro it was quirky. I finally got it to run compatibility as W98 and administrstor permissions. I still testing the compatibility mode. Most seems to be working except you can't add to the toolbar beyond the SK defaults which is not a big issue for me. I haven't updated to the two patches with the 2000 versions. Curious what would I gain if I updated the two files sidekick.exe and the Yintl.dll?

Sidekick user JJM said...

I upgraded from W8 to W10. Sk98 barely worked on W8. I am running SK98 well, so far, by running it as an admin. and in Windows 98 comparability mode. For the first time since before XP, I can customize the toolbar. I didn't have to rei-install SK98. It does seem more stable running SK98 under W98 compatibility. Fingers crossed!

Ian Cohen said...

I upgraded from Windows 8 to 10 yesterday. Sidekick was in my Win8 Startup, and I was happy to see it open ( if slowly ) at startup.

However, if I add data, and close the program, it cannot be re-opened unless I reboot.

It simply doesn't react. Makes me nervous!

Does anyone know the solution? Why does it open the first time, and what prevents it from opening a second time?

Thanks!
Ian

Waleed Hanafi said...

Hi Ian,

I am running SK98 on Windows 10 Pro 64, and it runs flawlessly.

I did a clean install rather than upgrade. Unlike Windows 7 where I have to load SK98 before Outlook and have to reboot if I forget, SK98 on Windows 10 runs instantly and cleanly.

I would try a clean install as a first trouble shooting step. And make sure you apply the patches, and "Run as Administrator".

Tim Munson said...

I have been using SK since it first came out. Currently running SK98 in Windows 7. I ran into something new today. I was adding a Multi-Day Event to the calendar and got the following error"You have reached the maximum number of Multi-Day Event list items allowed".

I removed several from the list. Closed the program and then restarted. Alas still got the error message when attempting to add a new multi-day event. Any suggestions on how to resolve the issue would be greatly appreciated.

Fangioparis said...

Waleedf: you mentioned you have clean copies of SK98 for $50?
How can I get one? I can pay via Paypal...
Cheers,
Peter Havas pjhavas@gmail.com

Waleed Hanafi said...

To Peter and all others interested in obtaining a complete SK98 package, I have put up a web page explaining how to get it - http://whanafi.homestead.com/Sidekick-98.html

Kami said...

I've posted here before, having used Sidekick for years, currently with Windows 7 Pro. Until a few hours ago, it was working fine. Had another computer issue, and some changes were made. But SKW still ran.

Then I tried to see which startup app might be causing the problem, and began removing them (in msconfig startup) 2 or 3 at a time. All the files I remove3d are all back. But even after several reboots, SKW won't run! It starts, then instantly stops. After several more tries, I removed it with Windows add/remove.

Then I went to the Install files..... and SKW Setup won't launch!

I've tried each with and without Run as Administrator. I tried each with compatability for Win XP as well as Win 7. It won't run!

Could some utility needed for 32 bit software be missing?

I hope someone is reading this and can HELP, PLEASE!

Sidekick user JJM said...

Kami! Have you considered using SFC.exe ( system file checker) to determine if your OS is not corrupted. My SK98 runs great under W10 compatibility mode for W98. I don't understand why it SK can't be bought and re-issued. I would pay for that to happen.

Kami said...

UPDATE - 11/29/16

I was able to get SKW98 re-installed by restarting the computer after removing all the items from the msconfig Startup list.

Without adding back files into that list, SKW98 is working (so far). I added back only a couple of the items, and a couple of other apps added a couple more back in. So far, so good.

Kami said...

JJM, I'll try that, thanks.
I strongly agree about having an updated version of SKW. I guess there aren't enough of us aficionados to make it worthwhile. (-:

Don Dement said...

I'm a lifelong SK98 user and have struggled through various Win versions, trying to get it to launch, etc., and eventually it works. But "something happened" yesterday such that the calendar file is empty. SK runs (admin, etc.) and comes up on the proper day but empty. I have business plans from the past and into the future - critical to get them back. I have the file backed up several places - that's not the problem. It runs but the entries are empty on a file that's 4kB in size! There's a bit somewhere that got changed, probably but I'm very careful not to fool around with SK files.

Any clues? I'd really appreciate something that gets my calendar content back, and soon ----- Thanks.

Don D

Sidekick user JJM said...

Don D have you open the right calendar files? SK98 may have loaded a default file not your file. Are you using W10 compatibility mode? SK98 runs near perfectly for me under W10 compatible mode W98. Just my thoughts with the info you have given.

Don Dement said...

JJM - thanks for your reply. I'm running SK in Win 10 under Win XP compatibility, and I'm an administrator.

I'm sure I opened the right "EVEN" file because I know what folder the SK files are in; and this one I keep an eye on because its size - a little over 4MB fits the decade of calendar entries. The top line on the calendar screen that shows what file is open is correct, and the file it accessed had the 4MB size in File Explorer, but no entries showed on the screen. Zero. Blank.

I then retrieved (from several places that I back up) the nearest dated EVEN file, opened it, and found the entire history I needed but up to only Dec 6. So I'm missing all the holiday work and events I recorded for about a month plus all my plans for 2017. However, my cellphone calendar had a lot of it, and I got more from dated invoices.

My address files were gone as well, and I've restored them from a backup, with some unknown amount of entry loss. But mostly phone numbers, and I can recover from that.

I'm not totally unhappy, but now I'm concerned that some backup program I give access to the SK files may have corrupted this one - that is, wiped the EVEN file clean of entries. And, as I forgot to stop the backup, my empty file has probably replaced whatever good ones there were. But not everywhere, and I did recover one that worked. I'm satisfied that SK is working OK but the file system somehow lost the data.

Question 1 - I don't have the "To-Do" list, that was full of items. It wasn't recovered with the EVEN file. Do you know if that is in a file separate from the calendar file, and if so what is its name and how do I open it, either in SK properly, or in a text editor where I could copy-paste the list into the current blank SK calendar To-Do space? I know the data is carried-forward for 30 days or so, and there's nothing in the new one to carry forward. But I've started entries into the blank file - a few a day - and I see that they're being scooped up each day into a new list - so it's working.

Question 2 - At one time - I've forgotten where or how - there was a screen that let me set advanced preferences such as 30-day carry-forward of the To-Do items. Do you know where that screen can be accessed?

I think SK is working pretty well at the moment but I'm not through trying to get fully recovered. Thanks for any help you might have.

Regards -- Don Dement